Moncurs Putting Iron
8:00 Fri Nov 27
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Sublime footballer.
Seemingly loathsome human being.
not really bothered, it was between him and Gazza really wasn't it.
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zico
7:06 Fri Nov 27
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:46 Fri Nov 27
Very true. Mind you keepers mistakes are always highlighted but there have been some bad mistakes that have been costly.
Incidentally, it's always forgotten on Maradona's second goal that he actually received possession from a clear hatchet foul on Hoddle. If you watch it England should really have had a free kick.
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El Scorchio
3:52 Fri Nov 27
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geoffpikey 3:32
However, if that had been an England player who scored the same goal in a World Cup knockout match, we'd (mainly the media here, but a lot of people) would never grow tired of eulogising it endlessly as the greatest (or one of) goals of all time.
The subjectivity of the whole thing is quite interesting. i think we as a nation would admire it more, were it not him, in that game, against us. Especially in light of the other goal. It is extraordinary how one game contained two of the most famous goals of all time. The amount of times I've seen those two they are burned onto my retinas, but I really can't remember the England goal well at all.
Also who was our 16? Reid? Poor tracking back. :)
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:46 Fri Nov 27
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zico 8:08 Thu Nov 26
Don't forget Bonetti in the 1970 WC QF. Or this magnificent effort from Ray Clemence in 1976 (any Eng v Scot match is obviously the most important match of all)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgvgOxVzSMw
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Block
3:38 Fri Nov 27
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The way he glided past those defenders , cough son regardless of whether it was shit or not was nothing short of magnificent.
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Far Cough
3:36 Fri Nov 27
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It's also very convenient to say Maradona's 86 WC 2nd was " the greatest goal ever" as it excuses England.
It was a very good goal. But the defending was very shit. There's nothing thrilling about it, to me.
Agreed, defending was woeful and as it was for the Hand of God goal as well
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geoffpikey
3:32 Fri Nov 27
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I actually agree with Johnson.
No point comparing / ranking players across eras, or even goals sometimes.
It's also very convenient to say Maradona's 86 WC 2nd was " the greatest goal ever" as it excuses England.
It was a very good goal. But the defending was very shit. There's nothing thrilling about it, to me.
I personally enjoy an outrageous Obiang screamer more than watching Terry Fenwick fall over.
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Far Cough
3:22 Fri Nov 27
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onebilly, Pele had fucking lumps kicked out of him at the '66 WC
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Johnson
3:20 Fri Nov 27
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You can compare them, but in context, I don't know why there is this obsession with trying to name the best footballer - it's so subjective as football and how the game should be played means something different to a lot people.
If you cut it by decades, then Moore, Maradonna, Pele, Ronaldos fat and skinny, Messi et al are in the same company.
That's enough for me, it's then just down to people picking their own favourites from that company.
I think this is usually weighted by folks' own age and exposure to the player.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
2:59 Fri Nov 27
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Peter Shilton to movingly and symbolically push the casket into the grave?
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only1billybonds
11:05 Fri Nov 27
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Comparing the likes of Messi,Ronaldo,Zlatan to those who plyed pre 90's is pointless. Not one player in the modern era can walk off a pitch claiming he has had the crap kicked out of him.
Maradonna was a genius but the fact that he was no.1 on every opposition hatchet man's list ( every team had at least one) pits him way beyond anyone in today's game.
Only my view of course.
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Block
10:52 Fri Nov 27
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Such a waste, Could have given so much to the game had he not shoved it all up his hooter.
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Mace66
9:41 Thu Nov 26
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NS - yea, losing to that made it much easier to deal with.
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Mace66
9:38 Thu Nov 26
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Sven
Maradonna’s is poetry in motion in a World Cup QF, ball glued to his foot, mesmerising. Messi’s obviously a great goal but not in the same league IMO
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zico
8:40 Thu Nov 26
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Sven Roeder 8:10 Thu Nov 26
Yep.
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Sven Roeder
8:18 Thu Nov 26
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Messi scored a goal v Getafe similar to Maradona's 2nd
The Maradona goal on this link has the Bryon Butler commentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRCDEXa06g
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Too Much Too Young
8:11 Thu Nov 26
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The second goal he scored was only slightly better than the one Ravel scored v Spurs.
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zico
8:08 Thu Nov 26
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Must say it's quite bizarre how top class English keepers seem to have been beaten in important matches by either a bizarre or controversial goal and/or a mistake. Shilton back peddling like an old man from Brehme's deflected free kick, and obviously the Maradona handball and Seaman with both Nayim and Ronaldinho. Not top class but Carson dropping the ball in the Euros qualifiers and Robinson and the mole hill add to the list!
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Side of Ham
7:49 Thu Nov 26
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Yep, I remember the Southbank inviting him onto the terraces to have a go at one of them..... :-)
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eusebiovic
7:30 Thu Nov 26
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I think Martin Keown took on the mantle of easiest mug to wind up after Shilton retired...
I remember the chant as "Shilton beats his wife up" for some strange reason. I was sure it was for giving the wife a backhand or two and the old bill paid the house a visit to have some words.
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